Juan Viejo2

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  Top Ten Pickup Lines at This Year's Convention

  by JimmyPage in

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  10. if i said you had a nice governing body would you hold it against me?.

  9. let's overlap our generations if you know what i mean.. 8. what do you say we lose this great crowd?.

  7. i want to be your faithful slave.. 6. tonight we're gonna party like it's 1974.. 7. your breasts are like towers.. 6. would you welcome a shepherding call?.

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  Juan Viejo2

  "You look like you're in need of a love-bombing!"
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  Am I wrong for being angry at my dads funeral last year?

  by shakyground in

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  that's the question that i have been thinking about all day for some reason.

  it's 5:30 am and i been in and out of sleep all night.

  let me go into further detail to explain.

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  Juan Viejo2

  I've posted on this subject in the past. In my own experience I've been to the funerals of my mother, father, and step-mother, and everyone of them followed the standard JW funeral pattern. I even submitted a prepared eulogy for my father prior to his funeral, but it was totally ignored by the brother who gave the talk.

  At http://ex-jw.com/two-funerals-michael-jackson I described the differences between the various funeral/memorials held for Michael Jackson two years ago. His private family funeral was held at Forest Lawn Memorial Park and the talk was given by a relative. But even though it was outside of the Kingdom Hall and was attended only by family and close personal friends, the talk was the same as for any other JW or JW family member.

  Sad that JWs can not spend 30 minutes or more truly remembering their friend or family member.

  One active sister wrote me after I published that article:

  "I am an active Jehovah's Witness and always will be. But I happened to find your article about Michael Jackson and it made me so angry. Not at you for telling the truth and accurately describing JW funerals, but because of the hypocrisy of the Jackson family and my own experience.

  "While the point of the JW funeral is to give a witness and to give all glory to Jehovah, few of the speakers ever remember why they are there. They are so stuck on the prepared outline that they hardly mention the deceased. In fact the dead become just a footnote to another public talk.

  "The Jacksons approved that massive and impressive memorial at Staples Center and everyone made Michael out to be some kind of angel, the King of Pop, a superhuman and almost perfect person. In reality he was very talented, but he was also flawed in so many ways, had an addictive personality, and lived a very questionable lifestyle. But the big show did what it was designed to do - give him a big send off and remind the viewers of his many good deeds and accomplishments.

  "So why did they feel it necessary to hold a separate JW funeral? What was that all about? He wasn't even a JW at the time and had in fact considered the possibility of converting to Islam. They couldn't even hold the funeral in a Kingdom Hall because he was tainted by being either DF'd or DA'd.

  "My brother was also a former JW who became a musician. He was very, very good at what he did. He wrote several musical arrangements and songs that became quite popular. He was an accomplished bass and rythm guitar player. He was both a session and road musician for several major groups and performers. In spite of beng in the music business, he never became involved in drugs, alcohol, or roadie games. But he did not have time for meetings, service or assemblies - and really got tired of the constant harrassment by the elders that he give up his career and return to the Kingdom Hall. When he was robbed and killed by muggers while on a tour, the local elders commented that 'maybe Jehovah had punished him for his worldly ways.' No! He was killed by two ex-cons that had been out of prison barely a week. My family insisted on giving him a JW funeral. All the elder said about my brother was that 'he was a guitar player and had written a few songs.' That was it! No date of birth. Nothing about his family. No other mention about him or what he had accomplished.

  "So although I am active and could never leave the Truth, I still burn inside every time the subject of my brother comes up. I will never again attend a JW funeral and I've asked my family not to hold a memorial for me should I precede them in death. But you know they will any way. They would never miss the opportunity to give another idiotic and unbearably dull public talk."

  What more can you say after that description of a JW funeral?

  JV
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  For your reading pleasure, we added 200 more documents to the Watchtower Documents website

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/documents/1800.html.

  http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/documents/1900-1919.html.

  http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/jw-stories.html.

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  Juan Viejo2

  Thank you, Barbara and Joe. Great service to the entire community, in and out.

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  Is the spring/summer weather in your area 'odd' this year?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  much of our spring was very cold, intermingled with the occasionally 'extreme' heat.

  so far summer [which started this week] is cooler than any i can recall, but extremely wet and high humidity.

  the entire house feels like a wet blanket.. the doom-sayer types are constantly remarking how this must mark 'something' if not the end.

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  Also an Oregonian - Willamette Valley. This has been a very wet year and most of the crops have been ruined or delayed by several weeks. Got to sit on our deck for just one day (Monday) when it got in the low 80s. Then dropped right back down into the gray 60s.

  But hey, this is not evidence of global warming - just because the ice caps at the north pole are disappearing and the glaciers of Greenland are dropping off into the ocean at four times the normal volume.

  I personally think that Jehovah has singled me out because of my apostate ways. Sorry that the rest of you between the 40 and 48th parallells have to suffer with me. Maybe someday we can all get together and have a pity party.

  I would suggest that all of us go into our closets and have a private chat with J-God and beg him to average out some of the temps in the USA. Maybe move 20 degrees F from the USA south toward the north and let us all enjoy some nice 80-90F temps for the next month or so.

  And don't forget to ask J-God to send a little of our rain down south as well. We've had enough and the folk along the cotton belt need all they can get.

  JV
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  Br. Loesch - great tribulation, king of the north, generation overlap, new scrolls and more...

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just got this email...... .

  subject: zone report germany date: 5/17/11 2:02:57 am.

  we thought we would share one of our interesting experiences with you.

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  Juan Viejo2

  Blondie - you have a PM

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  what am i in for? i have 5 jw employees and now im dfd...

  by oompa in

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  only one is a guy...a mini serve .

  one is a reg pioneer.... all are actually pretty key to my biz....three have been there over 20 years (ya...i am a great boss!!!).

  how much pressure are they going to get to quit working for me???.

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  Juan Viejo2

  I'm sure there are enough members of this forum who would gladly consider jumping in and replacing any of your losses. North Carolina may seem like a foreign country at times, but I'm sure there are enough of us in the Old South who might make the move if they could meet your needs and qualifications.

  I agree - get them out as soon as you can - with maybe a few exceptions if you know they are not really "true believers." First sign of any slacking, sabotage, or insubordination, use the axe on them immediately.

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  what am i in for? i have 5 jw employees and now im dfd...

  by oompa in

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  only one is a guy...a mini serve .

  one is a reg pioneer.... all are actually pretty key to my biz....three have been there over 20 years (ya...i am a great boss!!!).

  how much pressure are they going to get to quit working for me???.

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  Juan Viejo2

  I'm sure there are enough members of this forum who would gladly consider jumping in and replacing any of your losses. North Carolina may seem like a foreign country at times, but I'm sure there are enough of us in the Old South who might make the move if they could meet your needs and qualifications.

  I agree - get them out as soon as you can - with maybe a few exceptions if you know they are not really "true believers." First sign of any slacking, sabotage, or insubordination, use the axe on them immediately.

  JV
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  Do you know if these publications are available?

  by dgp in

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  2. bible

  does anyone know if these publications are available?

  i don't mean "my local kingdom hall", sorry.. - the nations shall know that i am jehovah .

  - jehovah's witnesses in the divine purpose .

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  Juan Viejo2

  Does anyone know of a list that contains every WT book published by year since Studies in the Scriptures? I have about 50 or 60 PDFs of some of the older books, but wonder which ones I still miss? I figure I will only understand the "real truth" if I read all of the pubs in order from SintheS#1 up to whatever the latest book release was. That way I will get all the new light in its proper order.

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  SURVEY: Is a JWN members post count a reasonable indicator of their theist/atheist position? If so what can be learned from that?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've done no research on this but i suspect that a members belief or absence of belief in god may have some correspondence with the number of posts he or she has made.. my tentative suggestion is that members with fewer than 500 posts are mostly believers while members with more than 3000 posts are mostly non-believers.

  of course there are exceptions, maybe quite a few, but i'm only dealing with generalities here.

  so how about a survey?

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  Juan Viejo2

  True believer ex-JWs will often post on other forums and then spend their time arguing over the Trinity or JC's divinity or whether creation was 6 days or 42,000 years. I don't have time for any of that so I come here and occasionally the Yuku board.

  I'm a strong #3 with leanings to #4 - total atheism.

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  Ladies, did/does your ex elder/elder husband tell you what the BOE discussed?

  by pontoon in

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  Juan Viejo2

  When I was teenager I often overheard gossip between the sisters. My mom and dad were very active in field service and meetings, but the highest my dad ever achieved was Literature Servant while I was living at home. He became an "elder" much later, after I had moved out.

  My mother, I can honestly say, was not a gossip in the classic JW sense. She'd share information she had about the health of some of the older brothers and sisters and would let on when she knew someone at the KH was getting married or having a baby. But that was it for her.

  On the other hand, other sisters who were married to the CongServ, AsstCongServ and some others were always blabbing about who was in trouble, why someone was being called on the carpet, who was cheating with whom, etc. At 15 or 16, I heard gossip that would curl your hair - and they never even paid me any mind at all as I just sat there and took it all in.

  Yes, the "elderettes" were all the worst gossips. That is how they tried to achieve rank among the sisters - whoever had the most inside information or the juiciest stories "ruled the roost," so to speak.

  I often knew who was going to be DF'd or put on probation well before it was ever announced at the Kingdom Hall. Such fun...